Data set 01
1959 Rogers
Published operating points and test conditions from this source.
Triode
Characteristic
HeaterOrFilamentVoltage
17.5 V
HeaterOrFilamentCurrent
150 mA
Voltage - Dual Triode (similar high frequency) ·Triode-Triode
Twin triode intended for FM and AM receiver front ends, with service including RF amplification and oscillator-mixer operation in high-frequency tuner circuits.
The 17EW8, also designated as the HCC85, is a miniature high-mu twin triode vacuum tube. It is designed primarily for use in radio-frequency (RF) amplifier and self-oscillating mixer-oscillator circuits within frequency modulation (FM) and amplitude modulation (AM) receivers. The device integrates two independent triode systems and an internal electrostatic shield within a single compact envelope.
The 17EW8 is constructed in a miniature T 6 1/2 glass envelope with an E 9-1 nine-pin miniature base. It features coated, unipotential cathodes that are electrically independent, allowing the two triode sections to be operated in different circuit configurations. The tube can be mounted in any physical position.
The heater is designed for series-string or dedicated power supplies, requiring a nominal heater voltage of 17.5 V and a heater current of 0.15 A (150 mA). To ensure reliable operation and prevent insulation breakdown, the voltage between the heater and cathode must not exceed a peak value of 90 V. Additionally, the maximum permissible circuit resistance between the heater and cathode is 20,000 Ω.
The 17EW8 utilizes the 9AJ basing arrangement. However, different technical documentation sources outline conflicting pin connections for this designation. When designing or servicing equipment using the 17EW8, these variations must be carefully reconciled:
In this configuration, the triode units are mapped with Unit 1 on the left side of the base and Unit 2 on the right, with the internal shield on Pin 9:
In this configuration, the triode numbering is reversed, mapping Triode 2 to the lower pin numbers and Triode 1 to the higher pin numbers, while keeping the shield on Pin 9:
In this alternative mapping, the internal shield is located on Pin 1, and the plates are assigned to Pins 6 and 9:
The 17EW8 includes an internal shield (connected to Pin 9 or Pin 1 depending on the pinout configuration) to minimize capacitive coupling between the two triode sections. The interelectrode capacitances are documented both with and without an external shield (measuring 0.886 inches in internal diameter):
The significant reduction in plate-to-plate capacitance (from 0.04 pF to 0.008 pF) when using an external shield highlights the importance of shielding in high-frequency RF applications to prevent unwanted feedback and instability.
The maximum ratings for each triode section of the 17EW8 are defined under design-maximum and design-center systems. These limits must not be exceeded under the worst-case operating conditions:
| Parameter | Maximum Rating |
|---|---|
| Plate Voltage (Without Current) | 550 V |
| Plate Voltage | 250 V |
| Plate Dissipation (Per Section) | 2.5 W |
| Plate Dissipation (Both Sections Combined) | 4.5 W |
| Cathode Current | 15 mA |
| Negative Grid Bias | 100 V |
| Grid Circuit Resistance | 1.0 MΩ |
At standard Class A1 operating points, each triode section exhibits high amplification factors and moderate transconductance. The typical characteristics under three distinct plate voltage conditions are summarized below:
| Parameter | Condition 1 | Condition 2 | Condition 3 |
|---|---|---|---|
| Plate Voltage | 100 V | 170 V | 200 V |
| Grid Voltage | -1.1 V* | -1.5 V | -2.1 V |
| Plate Current | 4.5 mA | 10.0 mA | 10.0 mA |
| Transconductance | 4,600 mhos | 6,200 mhos | 5,800 mhos |
| Amplification Factor (μ) | 50 | 50 | 48 |
| Plate Resistance (r₁) | — | — | 15,000 Ω |
*Note: The -1.1 V grid bias condition should not be utilized in applications where grid current is not permissible. If grid current must be avoided, a bias of -1.5 V is recommended.
When utilized as an RF amplifier (typically using Triode System No. 1), the 17EW8 is optimized for low noise and high input resistance at VHF frequencies. The operating characteristics under typical supply conditions are as follows:
| Parameter | Case A | Case B | Case C |
|---|---|---|---|
| Supply Voltage | 170 V | 170 V | 100 V |
| Plate Series Resistor | 1,300 Ω | 1,500 Ω | 1,500 Ω |
| Plate Voltage | 160 V | 155 V | 92 V |
| Cathode Resistor | 330 Ω | 160 Ω | 160 Ω |
| Negative Grid Bias | -2.0 V | -1.4 V | -0.85 V |
| Plate Current | 6.0 mA | 8.7 mA | 5.2 mA |
| Transconductance | 4,700 mhos | 6,000 mhos | 5,200 mhos |
| Internal Resistance | 10,500 Ω | 8,400 Ω | 10,000 Ω |
| Input Resistance (at 100 MHz) | 8,000 Ω | 6,000 Ω | 7,000 Ω |
| Equivalent Noise Resistance | 650 Ω | 500 Ω | 580 Ω |
These operating points demonstrate that higher plate currents (such as 8.7 mA in Case B) yield lower equivalent noise resistance (500 Ω) and higher transconductance (6,000 mhos), which are highly desirable for the input stages of FM receivers.
The second triode section (typically Triode System No. 2) is frequently configured as a self-oscillating mixer. In this mode, the stage simultaneously generates the local oscillator signal and performs frequency conversion. Typical operating parameters are detailed below:
| Parameter | Case X | Case Y | Case Z |
|---|---|---|---|
| Supply Voltage | 100 V | 170 V | 200 V |
| Plate Series Resistor | 4,700 Ω | 4,700 Ω | 8,200 Ω |
| Grid Leak Resistor | 1.0 MΩ | 1.0 MΩ | 1.0 MΩ |
| Oscillator Voltage (RMS) | 1.8 V | 2.8 V | 2.8 V |
| Plate Current | 2.2 mA | 4.8 mA | 5.2 mA |
| Conversion Conductance | 1,700 mhos | 2,200 mhos | 2,300 mhos |
| Internal Resistance | 20,000 Ω | 16,000 Ω | 15,000 Ω |
| Input Resistance (at 100 MHz) | — | 15,000 Ω | — |
In these self-oscillating mixer circuits, squegging (unwanted low-frequency self-modulation) is prevented by applying feedback, which is normally designed to compensate for the tube's internal resistance.
Analysis of the characteristic curves for the 17EW8 reveals several key behaviors:
The 17EW8 (or HCC85) is a versatile, high-mu twin triode housed in a 9-pin miniature envelope. Featuring a 17.5 V, 0.15 A heater, it is optimized for series-string heater circuits in AM/FM receivers. With an amplification factor of approximately 48 to 50 and transconductance up to 6,200 mhos, the tube provides excellent gain and low noise in VHF RF amplifier stages. Its dual-unit construction, combined with an internal electrostatic shield, allows one section to serve as a low-noise RF amplifier while the other operates as an efficient self-oscillating mixer, making it a highly integrated solution for front-end radio receiver designs.
Small-button Noval 9-contact
General specifications
Properties common to every published source and operating point.
Electrical assignments shared by every tube using this base designation.
No verified pinout is recorded for this base designation.
2 physical sections, each with unique specifications.
Section 1
Published ratings and characteristics promoted from the supplied Rogers/Rogers Majestic source.
Section 2
Physical section restored under current one-row-per-physical-section policy.
Source-dependent data
Each block preserves the test conditions and published values from one reference. Values from different sources are intentionally kept separate.
Data set 01
Published operating points and test conditions from this source.
HeaterOrFilamentVoltage
17.5 V
HeaterOrFilamentCurrent
150 mA
Data set 02
Published operating points and test conditions from this source.
Plate voltage
200 V
RF amplifier / self-oscillating mixer; EachUnit
Grid voltage
-2.1 V
EachUnit
Plate current
10 mA
EachUnit
Transconductance
5800 uS
EachUnit
Plate resistance
15 kOhm
EachUnit
Data set 03
Published operating points and test conditions from this source.
Heater Voltage
17.5 volts
Published value from supplied target entry
Heater Current
0.16 ampere
Published value from supplied target entry
Plate Voltage
250 volts
Published value from supplied target entry
Grid- Voltage, Negative-bias Value
100 volts
Published value from supplied target entry
Cathode Current
15 mA
Published value from supplied target entry
Plate Dissipation
2.5 watts
Published value from supplied target entry
Plate Voltage
200 volts
Published value from supplied target entry
Grid Voltage
-2.1 volts
Published value from supplied target entry
Amplification Factor
48
Published value from supplied target entry
Transconductance
5800
Published value from supplied target entry
Plate Current
10 mA
Published value from supplied target entry
Peak Heater-Cathode Voltage ±
90 volts
Published value from supplied target entry
Plate to Grid (Each Unit)
1.5 PF
Published value from supplied target entry
Plate to Cathode (Each Unit)
0.18 PF
Published value from supplied target entry
Plate to Cathode, Heater, and Internal Shield (Each Unit)
1.2 PF
Published value from supplied target entry
Grid to Cathode, Heater, and Internal Shield (Each Unit)
3 PF
Published value from supplied target entry