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17EW8

Twin triode intended for FM and AM receiver front ends, with service including RF amplification and oscillator-mixer operation in high-frequency tuner circuits.

Directly heatedCold cathodeCommon cathodeDissimilar
Sections
2
Base
-
Socket code
B9A
Base pins
9
Nominal heater
17.5 V / 160 mA

Description

17EW8 — High-Mu Twin Triode Vacuum Tube

The 17EW8, also designated as the HCC85, is a miniature high-mu twin triode vacuum tube. It is designed primarily for use in radio-frequency (RF) amplifier and self-oscillating mixer-oscillator circuits within frequency modulation (FM) and amplitude modulation (AM) receivers. The device integrates two independent triode systems and an internal electrostatic shield within a single compact envelope.

Mechanical Construction and Heater Design

The 17EW8 is constructed in a miniature T 6 1/2 glass envelope with an E 9-1 nine-pin miniature base. It features coated, unipotential cathodes that are electrically independent, allowing the two triode sections to be operated in different circuit configurations. The tube can be mounted in any physical position.

The heater is designed for series-string or dedicated power supplies, requiring a nominal heater voltage of 17.5 V and a heater current of 0.15 A (150 mA). To ensure reliable operation and prevent insulation breakdown, the voltage between the heater and cathode must not exceed a peak value of 90 V. Additionally, the maximum permissible circuit resistance between the heater and cathode is 20,000 Ω.

Pinout Configurations (9AJ Basing)

The 17EW8 utilizes the 9AJ basing arrangement. However, different technical documentation sources outline conflicting pin connections for this designation. When designing or servicing equipment using the 17EW8, these variations must be carefully reconciled:

Pinout Configuration A

In this configuration, the triode units are mapped with Unit 1 on the left side of the base and Unit 2 on the right, with the internal shield on Pin 9:

  • Pin 1: Plate (Unit No. 1)
  • Pin 2: Grid (Unit No. 1)
  • Pin 3: Cathode (Unit No. 2)
  • Pin 4: Heater
  • Pin 5: Heater
  • Pin 6: Plate (Unit No. 2)
  • Pin 7: Grid (Unit No. 2)
  • Pin 8: Cathode (Unit No. 1)
  • Pin 9: Internal Shield

Pinout Configuration B

In this configuration, the triode numbering is reversed, mapping Triode 2 to the lower pin numbers and Triode 1 to the higher pin numbers, while keeping the shield on Pin 9:

  • Pin 1: Plate (Triode No. 2)
  • Pin 2: Grid (Triode No. 2)
  • Pin 3: Cathode (Triode No. 2)
  • Pin 4: Heater
  • Pin 5: Heater
  • Pin 6: Plate (Triode No. 1)
  • Pin 7: Grid (Triode No. 1)
  • Pin 8: Cathode (Triode No. 1)
  • Pin 9: Internal Shield

Pinout Configuration C

In this alternative mapping, the internal shield is located on Pin 1, and the plates are assigned to Pins 6 and 9:

  • Pin 1: Internal Shield
  • Pin 2: Grid (Unit No. 2)
  • Pin 3: Cathode (Unit No. 2)
  • Pin 4: Heater
  • Pin 5: Heater
  • Pin 6: Plate (Unit No. 1)
  • Pin 7: Grid (Unit No. 1)
  • Pin 8: Cathode (Unit No. 1)
  • Pin 9: Plate (Unit No. 2)

Direct Interelectrode Capacitances

The 17EW8 includes an internal shield (connected to Pin 9 or Pin 1 depending on the pinout configuration) to minimize capacitive coupling between the two triode sections. The interelectrode capacitances are documented both with and without an external shield (measuring 0.886 inches in internal diameter):

Single-Unit Capacitances (Each Section)

  • Plate to Grid: 1.5 pF
  • Plate to Cathode: 0.18 pF
  • Grid to Cathode, Heater, and Shield: 3.0 pF
  • Plate to Cathode, Heater, and Shield (Without External Shield): 1.2 pF
  • Plate to Cathode, Heater, and Shield (With External Shield): 1.9 pF

Unit-to-Unit Capacitances

  • Plate of Unit 1 to Plate of Unit 2 (Without External Shield): 0.04 pF max
  • Plate of Unit 1 to Plate of Unit 2 (With External Shield): 0.008 pF max
  • Grid of Unit 1 to Grid of Unit 2: 0.003 pF max
  • Plate of Unit 1 to Grid of Unit 2: 0.008 pF max
  • Plate of Unit 2 to Grid of Unit 1: 0.008 pF max
  • Plate of Unit 1 to Cathode of Unit 2: 0.008 pF max
  • Plate of Unit 2 to Cathode of Unit 1: 0.008 pF max
  • Grid of Unit 1 to Cathode/Triode of Unit 2: 0.003 pF max
  • Grid of Unit 2 to Cathode/Triode of Unit 1: 0.003 pF max

The significant reduction in plate-to-plate capacitance (from 0.04 pF to 0.008 pF) when using an external shield highlights the importance of shielding in high-frequency RF applications to prevent unwanted feedback and instability.

Maximum Ratings

The maximum ratings for each triode section of the 17EW8 are defined under design-maximum and design-center systems. These limits must not be exceeded under the worst-case operating conditions:

ParameterMaximum Rating
Plate Voltage (Without Current)550 V
Plate Voltage250 V
Plate Dissipation (Per Section)2.5 W
Plate Dissipation (Both Sections Combined)4.5 W
Cathode Current15 mA
Negative Grid Bias100 V
Grid Circuit Resistance1.0 MΩ

Typical Characteristics and Class A1 Operation

At standard Class A1 operating points, each triode section exhibits high amplification factors and moderate transconductance. The typical characteristics under three distinct plate voltage conditions are summarized below:

ParameterCondition 1Condition 2Condition 3
Plate Voltage100 V170 V200 V
Grid Voltage-1.1 V*-1.5 V-2.1 V
Plate Current4.5 mA10.0 mA10.0 mA
Transconductance4,600 mhos6,200 mhos5,800 mhos
Amplification Factor (μ)505048
Plate Resistance (r₁)——15,000 Ω

*Note: The -1.1 V grid bias condition should not be utilized in applications where grid current is not permissible. If grid current must be avoided, a bias of -1.5 V is recommended.

RF Amplifier Operating Characteristics

When utilized as an RF amplifier (typically using Triode System No. 1), the 17EW8 is optimized for low noise and high input resistance at VHF frequencies. The operating characteristics under typical supply conditions are as follows:

ParameterCase ACase BCase C
Supply Voltage170 V170 V100 V
Plate Series Resistor1,300 Ω1,500 Ω1,500 Ω
Plate Voltage160 V155 V92 V
Cathode Resistor330 Ω160 Ω160 Ω
Negative Grid Bias-2.0 V-1.4 V-0.85 V
Plate Current6.0 mA8.7 mA5.2 mA
Transconductance4,700 mhos6,000 mhos5,200 mhos
Internal Resistance10,500 Ω8,400 Ω10,000 Ω
Input Resistance (at 100 MHz)8,000 Ω6,000 Ω7,000 Ω
Equivalent Noise Resistance650 Ω500 Ω580 Ω

These operating points demonstrate that higher plate currents (such as 8.7 mA in Case B) yield lower equivalent noise resistance (500 Ω) and higher transconductance (6,000 mhos), which are highly desirable for the input stages of FM receivers.

Self-Oscillating Mixer Operating Characteristics

The second triode section (typically Triode System No. 2) is frequently configured as a self-oscillating mixer. In this mode, the stage simultaneously generates the local oscillator signal and performs frequency conversion. Typical operating parameters are detailed below:

ParameterCase XCase YCase Z
Supply Voltage100 V170 V200 V
Plate Series Resistor4,700 Ω4,700 Ω8,200 Ω
Grid Leak Resistor1.0 MΩ1.0 MΩ1.0 MΩ
Oscillator Voltage (RMS)1.8 V2.8 V2.8 V
Plate Current2.2 mA4.8 mA5.2 mA
Conversion Conductance1,700 mhos2,200 mhos2,300 mhos
Internal Resistance20,000 Ω16,000 Ω15,000 Ω
Input Resistance (at 100 MHz)—15,000 Ω—

In these self-oscillating mixer circuits, squegging (unwanted low-frequency self-modulation) is prevented by applying feedback, which is normally designed to compensate for the tube's internal resistance.

Qualitative Curve Observations and Parameter Variations

Analysis of the characteristic curves for the 17EW8 reveals several key behaviors:

  • Transfer Characteristics: The plate current versus grid voltage curves demonstrate a sharp cutoff characteristic. Cutoff occurs between -5 V and -7 V, depending on the applied plate voltage (ranging from 100 V to 200 V).
  • Plate Characteristics: The curves follow standard triode behavior, with a clearly defined 2.5 W plate dissipation boundary line that restricts the safe operating region.
  • Parameter Variations: Transconductance and the amplification factor increase as plate current rises. Conversely, the internal plate resistance drops sharply as plate current increases from 0 to 5 mA, after which it flattens out.
  • Mixer Performance: The conversion conductance of the self-oscillating mixer peaks when the oscillator voltage is between 2 V and 3 V RMS. At higher oscillator injection levels, the conversion conductance slowly decreases.

Technical Summary

The 17EW8 (or HCC85) is a versatile, high-mu twin triode housed in a 9-pin miniature envelope. Featuring a 17.5 V, 0.15 A heater, it is optimized for series-string heater circuits in AM/FM receivers. With an amplification factor of approximately 48 to 50 and transconductance up to 6,200 mhos, the tube provides excellent gain and low noise in VHF RF amplifier stages. Its dual-unit construction, combined with an internal electrostatic shield, allows one section to serve as a low-noise RF amplifier while the other operates as an efficient self-oscillating mixer, making it a highly integrated solution for front-end radio receiver designs.

Socket description

Small-button Noval 9-contact

General specifications

Tube and section characteristics

Properties common to every published source and operating point.

Heater and base

Base
-
Socket code
B9A
Base pins
9
Nominal heater voltage
17.5 V
Nominal heater current
160 mA
Parallel heater voltage
-
Parallel heater current
-
Series capable
No

Terminal pinout

Electrical assignments shared by every tube using this base designation.

No verified pinout is recorded for this base designation.

Section ratings

2 physical sections, each with unique specifications.

Section 1

Triode

X-ray radiationInterelectrode capacitances
Plate resistance
15000 Ω
Transconductance
0.0058 S
Amplification factor
48
Max plate voltage
250 V
Max plate dissipation
2.5 W
Max cathode current
15 mA

Published ratings and characteristics promoted from the supplied Rogers/Rogers Majestic source.

Section 2

Triode

X-ray radiationInterelectrode capacitances
Plate resistance
15000 Ω
Transconductance
0.0058 S
Amplification factor
48
Max plate voltage
250 V
Max plate dissipation
2.5 W
Max cathode current
15 mA

Physical section restored under current one-row-per-physical-section policy.

Source-dependent data

Operating conditions by source

Each block preserves the test conditions and published values from one reference. Values from different sources are intentionally kept separate.

Data set 01

1959 Rogers

Published operating points and test conditions from this source.

SECTION 1

Triode

Characteristic

  • HeaterOrFilamentVoltage

    17.5 V

  • HeaterOrFilamentCurrent

    150 mA

Data set 02

1963 Amperex Condensed

Published operating points and test conditions from this source.

SECTION 1

Triode

Other

  • Plate voltage

    200 V

    RF amplifier / self-oscillating mixer; EachUnit

  • Grid voltage

    -2.1 V

    EachUnit

  • Plate current

    10 mA

    EachUnit

Characteristic

  • Transconductance

    5800 uS

    EachUnit

  • Plate resistance

    15 kOhm

    EachUnit

Data set 03

1975 RCA RC30

Published operating points and test conditions from this source.

SECTION 1

Triode

Characteristic

  • Heater Voltage

    17.5 volts

    Published value from supplied target entry

  • Heater Current

    0.16 ampere

    Published value from supplied target entry

  • Plate Voltage

    250 volts

    Published value from supplied target entry

  • Grid- Voltage, Negative-bias Value

    100 volts

    Published value from supplied target entry

  • Cathode Current

    15 mA

    Published value from supplied target entry

  • Plate Dissipation

    2.5 watts

    Published value from supplied target entry

  • Plate Voltage

    200 volts

    Published value from supplied target entry

  • Grid Voltage

    -2.1 volts

    Published value from supplied target entry

  • Amplification Factor

    48

    Published value from supplied target entry

  • Transconductance

    5800

    Published value from supplied target entry

  • Plate Current

    10 mA

    Published value from supplied target entry

Other

  • Peak Heater-Cathode Voltage ±

    90 volts

    Published value from supplied target entry

Capacitance

  • Plate to Grid (Each Unit)

    1.5 PF

    Published value from supplied target entry

  • Plate to Cathode (Each Unit)

    0.18 PF

    Published value from supplied target entry

  • Plate to Cathode, Heater, and Internal Shield (Each Unit)

    1.2 PF

    Published value from supplied target entry

  • Grid to Cathode, Heater, and Internal Shield (Each Unit)

    3 PF

    Published value from supplied target entry